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| Topic Started: 25 Aug 2007, 08:37 PM (1,407 Views) | |
| zhix | 25 Aug 2007, 08:37 PM Post #1 |
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This has been bugging me for some time now. Somehow I can't seem to get a good audio rip from the CDs that I have. Something seems to be missing from the audio rips that I do. For example, I got a copy of 蔡琴 - 恰似你的温柔 (320 kps mp3) which sounds fanastic compared to those rips that I do. Not sure if this is something to do with the CD i have or the ripped methods that i use. I am currently using EAC Lame 3.90.3 -V0 --vbr-new -q0 --lowpass 19.7 Does anyone have any insights to share ? |
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| ahdui | 25 Aug 2007, 09:58 PM Post #2 |
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try using the latest stable lame codec --> 3.97 3.98 is still quite unstable. Maybe some re-mastering is done to the 320kps file which you have downloaded from the website. Personally, I do some re-mastering to most of the lower bit-rate songs to make them sound better. |
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Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530 Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod) Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530 Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000 Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5 | |
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| nofing | 26 Aug 2007, 02:03 PM Post #3 |
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What's remastering? I simply rip in wav and play it. |
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| zhix | 26 Aug 2007, 07:03 PM Post #4 |
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Hi ahdui, That is what i suspect as well. I believe that the mastering of the CD has something to do with it. What I cam surprised is how much difference it makes , with good mastering and bad mastering. I am thinking of buying a CD with good mastering and trying to see if i can rip a good copy. Do you have any to recommend? Also, How do you master your own copy? thanks ! |
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| ahdui | 26 Aug 2007, 07:20 PM Post #5 |
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Its some personal secret studio skills lol. Look out for different companies and countries' pressing. Maybe you can try out XR-CDs or maybe some of those 192hz/24bit audiophile CDs |
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Transportable: iRiver h120(2300mAh)→Sysconcept Optical Cable→AOS Electornics Co. Piccolo DAC→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ TCu IC→ahdui's Enfo PA-1→Custom Shure SE530 Backup: AMB y-1 DAC (MisterX Mod) Cycling: Sansa Clip 4GB→Philips SHS3200 Earhooks Portable: Rio Karma→UltimateEars Super.Fi 5eb Backup Rig: RedWineAudio 40GB iPod Photo→ahdui's CryoFreeze™ RBT IC→iBasso P3 Heron(ahdui Mod) →Custom Shure SE530 Home: "Upgrading In Progress"→Alessandro MS Pro/JVC HP-DX1000 Desktop: PC→Belden 1505F→CityPulse DAC 7.2x II→Belden 89207→KRK Rokit Powered 5 | |
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| zhix | 26 Aug 2007, 07:57 PM Post #6 |
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Hi nofing, this is what I learned about good and bad mastering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ |
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| nofing | 26 Aug 2007, 09:00 PM Post #7 |
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I see...So it's the CD that has been badly mastered? But ah dui was looking at remastering the ripped tracks. How's that done? |
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| zhix | 27 Aug 2007, 06:20 AM Post #8 |
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Hi nofing .. that's Ah dui's secret ... 
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| nofing | 27 Aug 2007, 11:14 AM Post #9 |
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Oh....So basically there's nothing we can do with badly ripped cds then? |
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| zhix | 28 Aug 2007, 10:40 AM Post #10 |
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i dont think so. It's something that I am wondering myself. For example, I love Garbage, but the mastering for all their CDs are sub par. If it's classic enough, somewhere in the future, they may release a remastered 192kps Gold CD version ..whahha ... Yesterday I went to THAT CD shop @ orchard to check out if they have any good mastered CDs for me to try on. Apparently they have this GOLD CD 192kps remastered versions of what they deemed as classic albums but non of the avaliable cds there caught my eye. Besides, the CD costs 30 SGD each. Not cheap at all. Does anyone have that series? Worth the moolah? |
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| nofing | 28 Aug 2007, 04:58 PM Post #11 |
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Oh...So we'll have to work on the quality of our CDs. But $30 a pop is a tad hard to swallow. |
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| zhix | 29 Aug 2007, 02:50 PM Post #12 |
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To clarify, those CDs i saw are XRCDs, i managed to obtain a ripped mp3 of XRCD from my friend. The effect on my X5L (with Superfi5) is WOW .... Am going to get one of those and see if it's the CD (or XRCD in this case) that is making that differences. Frankly, I dunno how i am going to get used to listening to mp3s ripped from normal CDs after listening to mp3s ripped from XRCDs. |
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| nofing | 30 Aug 2007, 12:37 AM Post #13 |
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Would Borders sell songs with the XRCDs too? Also, when you rip does the CD drive play a part? How about ripping to wav and using it thus? |
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| nofing | 23 Sep 2007, 12:54 PM Post #14 |
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Managed to find a "GOLD CD, 24Bits" and I ripped it using the Creative Mediasource. Listened to it on my zvm lineout and the works and it didn't sound fantastic. In fact, I could hear artifacts in the music. Is there something wrong with my ripping? Used EAC previously and didn't find it particularly good either. |
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| zhix | 23 Sep 2007, 04:50 PM Post #15 |
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My understanding is that EAC (with LAME) is one of the top 3 rippers around. http://jthz.com/mp3/?seenIEPage=1 http://mp3.radified.com/ |
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| nofing | 23 Sep 2007, 05:38 PM Post #16 |
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Hmm..I would prefer a loseless format and the only loseless format the zvm supports is wav. Could it be my CD drive? |
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| StGrim | 26 Sep 2007, 06:19 PM Post #17 |
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I went to re-rip my entire CD collection after getting my iMod (: I'm using the new LAME 3.97 Compile with the following parameters [-v0 -vbr-new] I'm not sure if they'll yield any results, but here are my suggestions. 1. Purchase a micro-fibre cloth and a CD cleaner to clean your CDs from dust. 2. Search "LAME" and "EAC" in wikipedia and read up on how to configure EAC for secure ripping. 3. Use LAME 3.97 and EAC 0.99, forget the older versions. 4. Don't buy China-Pressed CDs, I think they are a grade lower than those from Europe or America. 5. If your computer is overclocked, return it back to default before ripping (I know, I'm a paranoid guy) 6. Purchase a good electronic cleaner (I use one from Ambersil) and clean all your connectors (Once again, I'm being paranoid here) 7. If all else fails, save up for an iMod- because as Ryner tells me, Garbage in, Garbage out |
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| StGrim | 26 Sep 2007, 07:17 PM Post #18 |
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@nofing: EAC also rips to WAV btw.. |
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| nofing | 26 Sep 2007, 08:20 PM Post #19 |
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Ok..Can understand everything but point #7. It's not about the source now. It's the rips themselves. Source wise I'm using a lineout already. Granted iMod would be better but that'll be a future consideration. =D Hmm, but you would rather use mp3 than a loseless format like wav or apple loseless? |
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| StGrim | 26 Sep 2007, 08:51 PM Post #20 |
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I feel LAME v0 gives the best compromise between file size and quality. Besides, it'd be much harder to *share* your songs with friends if each file was 20megabytes eh? 
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| nofing | 26 Sep 2007, 09:57 PM Post #21 |
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I see...Actually it's closer to 50mb. Lol. |
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| PPkiller | 28 Sep 2007, 01:06 AM Post #22 |
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for mp3, if highest fidelity is required, use itune to encode it. lame fare pretty bad when you compare lame -v0 -vbr-new vs 320kbps on itune mp3 encoder. |
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| zonalblitz | 28 Sep 2007, 01:48 AM Post #23 |
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Get yourself an iMod and you will have less worries on the software.
 Cheers mate! However, be sure to understand why you need the iMod. Don't just be a follower. Audiophile knowledge applies here.
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If impressing/being impressed is how it gets you around, forget it. It is not gonna happen. The world of audiophile and fine living is not an Olympics. Team "> Two Thousand Dollars Only" per Portable Audio Rig 
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| zhix | 28 Sep 2007, 10:30 AM Post #24 |
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No kidding ... i always thought EAC + LAME is the best ripper out there. I didn't know itunes is a better ripper. maybe I should give it a try. |
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| zhix | 28 Sep 2007, 10:33 AM Post #25 |
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I'm affected enough to consider upgrading my current setup ( SF5 + iAudio X5L). The problem is I have no idea where the bottleneck is .. Ripping Method? Source? Lack of Amp? Headphones? |
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| zonalblitz | 28 Sep 2007, 11:50 AM Post #26 |
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Perhaps you should try out with a new amplifier and interconnects for start. I highly suspect you might even upgrade your earphone for something else if your budget allows you in near future. Also, to enjoy a better sound quality, I think you should also look into headphones even as a portable setup. Zhix, you're seriously in too deep.
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If impressing/being impressed is how it gets you around, forget it. It is not gonna happen. The world of audiophile and fine living is not an Olympics. Team "> Two Thousand Dollars Only" per Portable Audio Rig
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| zhix | 28 Sep 2007, 01:12 PM Post #27 |
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I BLAME U .... Headphonehaven, Hi_Fi.org, Jaben .... waahahha .. |
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| StGrim | 28 Sep 2007, 01:20 PM Post #28 |
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I've tried Apple Lossless and iTunes 320kbps as well. IMO, EAC + LAME 3.97 is still the best ever ( if properly configured that is ) |
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| zonalblitz | 28 Sep 2007, 03:25 PM Post #29 |
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If I introduce you to a physiatrist, he would recommend music therapy. Or rather, we do the music therapy ourselves. :lol: Anyway, back to topic. I personally prefer to use iTunes for ripping at MP3 320kbps for use for my iPods, simply made easy. It is also convenient if you ever play between players of other brands. For instance, Apple Lossless is made friendly for the iPods and not commonly supported by other brands. I would also agree to StGrim's advise for the EAC with LAME format. I think you should contact him about the configurations if you're interested and wouldn't mind going through the technicals. Of course, if you consider on the hardware which comes with a price to pay, you will generally improve the sound reproduction more effectively. However and still, if you want to enjoy the best definition music quality, I would still suggest to playback with the original CD on the player. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Anyway, check out my new slogan for the Forum.
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If impressing/being impressed is how it gets you around, forget it. It is not gonna happen. The world of audiophile and fine living is not an Olympics. Team "> Two Thousand Dollars Only" per Portable Audio Rig
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| nofing | 29 Sep 2007, 07:10 AM Post #30 |
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Between mp3 (LAME or otherwise) and wav? You guys find either one better? Cos I use wav on the basis that it's a loseless format and it's the only one my player supports.. |
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